Rachel Maddow: -- because you have free speech, but you ought to be recognized as a political actor and for the political threat you pose to our system, and there ought to be a response. They do that over and over in the workrooms and the app gets better and better and tighter and tighter, and the really good ones come up with something amazing that they could show up at any room across the country and kill. Thats like hes a multiple of the Super Bowl every week in terms of --. Rachel Maddow: An effort in the United States. And he sort of leaves the clan and forms a successor organization, and then joins with all these American fascists, including those who are in touch with Hitlers government, to create a plan to build an American fascist, to create an American violent fascist to overthrow here. Rachel Maddow: -- in part because he thinks that hes that. "Upon careful consideration, I have terminated my relationship with the Lincoln Project, effective immediately," Ms . And I've been kind of like champing at bit of, like, OK, what do we do here? Note: This is a rough transcript please excuse any typos. Like yeah, what Huey Long is saying right there would work now. Oct. 12, 2022, 3:29 PM PDT By Why Is This. May 8, 2013. Chris Hayes: And then what you uncover is that, like, prior to Pearl Harbor, there was a huge amount of Nazi sympathy in the United States. Coughlin starts out as a kind of like not quite left figure, but he is supportive of the New Deal. Chris Hayes: -- 54 in 1920, 59 and then famously 60 in 1927. And we, in the Bronx, need to figure out how we are going to fight that. Rachel Maddow: Thanks for being so nice. D, ask your local clergymen to preach sermons on tolerance. Rachel Maddow: Theyre running, literally, Hitler youth summer camps --. In this case, this pamphlet is about the Bronx. Vice reported that it was told by Goodwill after the items were brought to the organizations attention that the items were removed from its online auction. Journalism aside, he has authored several books, including A Colony in a Nation (2017). They were good at hitting, they were good at getting doubles and triples and all this stuff. That's how FARA, which is now, like, having this new rebirth in the Trump era. Rachel Maddow: -- matters, when having the secretary's name doesn't matter. Chris Hayes: Youre right, its very empowering because I do think that when I come back to this theme of the criminal justice system being ill-equipped, which I think, you know, very much brings us to the present day like, at some level when you look at January 6th and what Donald Trump did, if its not a crime then nothing is --, Chris Hayes: -- in a non-technical and non-legal sense, right, and just like the moral force of the word "crime" like a transgression, a violation of right and wrong in the established order --. A funny thing happens when you watch a lot of MSNBC: everyone's faces all sort of start to . Rachel Maddow is incredible. "We were children together and now we're grey-haired television anchors,". Chris Hayes: Right, right. blend together . "Chris is always good he deserves a much bigger national reputation. I try to tell stories for a living. I think that American journalism is strong and has all the right instincts and can lead. And the way you do the work to get them there is to assume that people know nothing when you start, right. Quiz: Photo of Rachel Maddow or Photo of Chris Hayes? To be like, "Thank you. Actually, when I heard the gloss (ph), and I was like, that can't be right. Rachel Maddow: Theres no such thing as todays Father Coughlin. Like, you're getting the name of the senator. And I have, I feel it emotionally, right, that like the criminal justice system should be able to sort this out and issue some definitive declaration about what is and isnt in bounds, what is and is not a transgression. Chris Hayes: -- its wild that this happens, that this level of sort of fame and stardom and influence happens within the hierarchy of the Catholic clergy where he just literally just a literal random parish priest. You're so good at suspense, so good. Rachel Maddow: -- who's (ph) Trump's inaugural chairman, as (ph) being a secret foreign agent. Thanks for being so kind. Chris Hayes: -- transparent work product in the world. Do you remember what it was like? Doni Holloway will be checking those and sending me the good ones, screening out anything critical. That happened. It was stopped when the FBI arrested these perpetrators on January 17th, right. Rachel Maddow: I think we are capable of generating them. And they sent a sort of wunderkind prosecutor down to Louisiana. I think there needs to be a bigger, broader anti-fascist movement where people actually have work to do every day and trying to --. News, Politics, Culture, and more in realtime. Rachel Maddow: You're killing me. Rachel Maddow: Yeah. I would know if that happened, like someone's miscommunicating to me what the topic of this is because, if that had happened, I would know, but it turns out it did happen, I didn't know about it. Rachel Maddow: Oh, in terms of legitimately not knowing what's coming next? It's called "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra." Search us for WITHpod. MSNBC's Alex Wagner reminisces with childhood friend Chris Hayes during the premiere of "Alex Wagner Tonight" Tuesday. I mean, you can't have people who are afraid to tell you no, you can't. And that was part of what was hard about drafting the podcast because you could do the whole thing on Coughlin and the Christian Front, right? And there are Americans who went before us who were as smart or smarter, as funny or funnier, more nimble, more interesting, more capable, and who saved us from this last time around, and we should learn how they did it. And why have you never heard of this guy? The presence of a swastika in the background of a photo posted by MSNBC host Chris Hayes gave Twitter a chortle this week. Whatever is going to happen now, it's going to be coming down from that, so that was very kind. News. But at the same time, like, could you get a successful seditious conspiracy prosecution against Donald Trump with all the evidence we have? This guy, Babe Ruth, comes along, starts out as a pitcher, goes over to hitting. There were 130 million Americans in terms of our population at the time, 30 million of them every week were listening to him. Deadline: White House. The 34-year-old anchor of Up, MSNBC's 8 a.m. weekend show, invited 15 friends to his one-bedroom apartment in Manhattan's East Village. He goes to Germany. Rachel Maddow: James Comey, right? Last week, Maddow confirmed reports that she planned. Chris Hayes is . It requires attention, and Rachel is supremely gifted at paying attention." Maddow's friend and fellow MSNBC host Chris Hayes, who considers her a mentor, compares her to LeBron James. Rachel Maddow: What did he tell you? Chris Hayes: -- word for word Goebbels's speech in his newsletter. Chris Hayes: Hes just a guy (ph), like --. I mean, obviously it's your voice, and you have a very good voice technically, but a Rachel Maddow way of telling a story that happens in this podcast where it's like, "I'm in it. So having her name --. And I want to learn your sort of lessons about how to live in the face of these kinds of threats. And thats just always going to be true. They orchestrated civil lawsuits between different pro-fascist groups suing each other in order to expose all their dirty laundry to the world because law enforcement didnt care, right? And theres people who have done better scholarship on Coughlin that I can even sum up here, let alone try to ape. And its a speech --. Jack Davis is a freelance writer who joined The Western Journal in July 2015 and chronicled the campaign that saw President Donald Trump elected. The Chris Hayes Podcast" to discuss what she's been up to since dialing back from her nightly cable news show, how she found the story that's told in her new podcast, "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra," the editorial and creative process that has followed, and more. Chris Hayes: But, like, where everyone was on Hitler and Nazis in '39, '40s, I guess, what I'm saying, is like a very different thing than where everyone is on Hitler and Nazis in '44. The political commentator Chris was born on February 28, 1979. And I was just like, OK, well. Rachel Maddow: -- breaking news times, and there's time we have to be on call and all that stuff. But he writes from an interesting perspective about the theology of Coughlin --, Rachel Maddow: -- and the sort of struggle in the church in terms of when they were going to pull the plug on him and why. It's the most --. And the demand, I am very obsessed in the notion of like the demand side for fascism as opposed to supply side --. There was a huge amount of, probably, a bigger category of not outright Nazi sympathizers but people who are, like, kind of equivocal about the whole thing. Luckily for us, her decision to dial back from the nightly cable news grind has allowed her to create a work in new media. Back in August, the Hollywood Reporter and the Daily Beast reported that Maddow signed a new multi-year deal with MSNBC. Conservative talk show host Dan Bongino's Fox News show has trounced a documentary about his former boss, Barack Obama, in the ratings. He is also the host of the Up with Chris Hayes show which airs on weekends. C, organize local tolerance committees in your own neighborhood to hold street meetings and other meetings. So that part of it, like, what have you learned from that storytelling process that you bring over now? Chris Hayes: Yeah, exactly. And if that thing isn't there at the end of the day, like, I got the day off --. When Alex Wagner debuts her new MSNBC show on Tuesday, she will be taking on an unusual arrangement . Chris Hayes: Well, no, thats fascinating. So I took out the name of the senator's secretary after leaving it in for all the other drafts. And some of them, yes, were prosecutors and people working inside the criminal justice system, but some of them were crusading columnists. "Last Word" is now No. Chris Hayes: And you basically got to just constantly work at it, which I think is both more realistic and not the story were told, but is very much illustrated by the story you are telling. The Rachel Maddow Show replays a portion of his interview with Rachel Maddow in which he discusses whether he's a player or spectator in the game of politics. Chris Hayes: Right, but the first step, the key, is to parcel out the information in this way --, Chris Hayes: -- that doesn't overwhelm --. Chris Hayes: You know, then we went to war and then we beat the Nazis. But those folks didn't change their views once the Japanese bombed us in Hawaii. And the marrying of those two things, a violent threat to overthrow the U.S. government multiple plots along those lines --, Chris Hayes: Hoarding guns, training with those guns and weapons, ordnance, I mean --. Rachel Maddow: It is great. And so, what we end up with is the Justice Department, not stumbling onto but discovering the contours of this plot by the Hitler government to use members of Congress to distribute Nazi propaganda in quantity to the American public. "The Last Word With Lawrence O'Donnell" and "All In With Chris Hayes" were 37th and 38th, respectively. I'm not spoiling it. I mean, they were in control but also profoundly corrupt. MSNBC president Phil Griffin probably thought two Rachel Maddows would be better than one, but Hayes as lost 30% of Schultz's viewers and as Maddow's lead-in, her ratings are suffering as a result: Even Ms. Maddow's ratings tumbled sharply in May, at least partly because the network's new host at 8 p.m., Chris Hayes, has lost more than . Hosts on Today gave a vague answer to questions about the status of Hoda Kotb, whose last appearance on the show was Feb. 17. Actually, it was the right decision. I'm not pulling this from memory. Chris Hayes: -- or it falls apart if you're doing something in 15 minutes or 14 minutes. So we got January 6th attack on the Capitol. Do you buy the explanation of the presence of the swastika on the desk? And then you talk about somebody you seen as like running the ideological member line, right? Chris Hayes: -- you play the Coughlin, its like even if it was in a language I can understand, I'm (ph) like, I think I know probably what hes ranting about. They have their first daughter named Ryan Elizabeth Shaw-Hayes born in November 2011. Why is he so upset? It operated in a way where, like, people maybe hit 10 home runs a year. If You Liked All In with Chris Hayes. As its afternoon shows hosted by Ronan Farrow and Joy Reid are canceled due to poor ratings, MSNBC is reportedly planning to replace Chris Hayes with Rachel Maddow. "Rachel Maddow, you've got some explaining to do," Ball said, but Maddow hasn't stopped anti-Trump speculation. Politics, Foreign Policy, Military & Defense Issues. Court actions do not work against this seditious plot involving members of Congress in the Hitler government. Chris Hayes: "I think the future is unwritten, and anyone who tells you they know what's going to happen is wrong. He always deliberately keeps his show going one or two minutes into her time slot. . Huey Long, of course, was assassinated, which is what put an end to his political career. And also the theology around tyranny and sedition, being a nuanced thing that Coughlin was very cognizant of and was playing with, even as his followers were being put on trial for sedition for having them what he told them to do. Rachel Maddow: I mean, is that a story about the limitations to the critical law? Before she went live, the White House responded,. Earlier this week, CNN Business reported that Maddow's nightly show will end in 2022. And that means that the history of it, to the extent that there is any history of it, has been written by the right and by people who are sympathizers of the defendants --. Chris Hayes: -- and was arrested and tried for and imprisoned for. Like think about what that would translate to in terms of todays ratings. Rachel Maddow: Yeah, yeah, and then he got a five-year prison sentence. I think that American activism waxes and wanes and is maybe less robust on this front than it was in the '30s and '40s, in this time that Im writing about. And then someone comes along, they just like do it differently. Rachel Maddow: I just took this long-haul train trip with my family as our family vacation. Read our editorial standards. And then it's here. Then, its them. It has all of the kind of like context, and history, and pacing, and sort of just like narrative oomph of like a great Rachel A block, but with all the production abilities of a great podcast. I think you and I cherish it, not everyone does, but that theres some really important lines here about you can write a pamphlet saying Donald Trump should. You can also watch "The Rachel Maddow Show" on Monday nights. Rachel Maddow: Did this really happen or is this a play? And the Justice Department, youre the Justice Department, you cant do that. She writes her first lady column about how shocked she is. Jon Stewart enters the game - In light of the influence Jon Stewart had in encouraging the passage of the 9/11 first responders bill, The Rachel Maddow Show replays a portion of his interview with Rachel Maddow in which he discusses whether he's a player or spectator in the game of politics. And Rachel is just on another level as a communicator and a storyteller, and incredibly innovative in that respect as well, just at a technical level, which I think we're going to talk about a little bit, even though it's like a little inside (ph). I just think we need some energy in it, and Im hoping, in some ways, that learning the history of other Americans who have done it well can give us some energy. Chris Hayes: He really does, one of the genuine talents he has is sort of terrible in everything else. So I started working on that, ended up in this place where I was looking at sort of the origins of American Holocaust denial, which has always been sort of an interest for me as well. Chris Hayes: As opposed to, like, no, liberal democracy is a hard thing to maintain. Rachel Maddow: -- and freaks and crooks and, you know, people who dont pay their taxes. And so you're focused on that name. I can keep doing what I'm doing. ", Rich Polk / Getty Images for Politicon; Scott Olson / Getty Images. Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) October 5, 2022 "Just so incredibly perfect that I have a typo in this tweet. We are committed to truth and accuracy in all of our journalism. Lundeen gets run out of literally on a rail out of his congressional district for opposing World War I, which is a very different thing than opposing World War II --, And what I find fascinating about is like the ideological trajectory of these figures around this time and how people navigate through, once everything is presented is on the table, right? Rachel Maddow: I know, but its a speech about the Jews, about the evil --, Rachel Maddow: -- of the Jews. Rachel Maddow: You would not be on trial. Chris Hayes: Well, this is part of what makes this so interesting. Rachel Maddow: Yeah. As of 2021, Chris Hayes has a net worth of $5 million. At least three prime time MSNBC hosts have changed their tone on Covid-19 vaccines since 2020, Twitter archives reveal. And then in 1914, he had nine. Also, the pamphlet behind me, which indeed have a swastika on it, is an incredible anti-fascist pamphlet put together by an American christian minister to counter the work of the Christian Front fascist gang, he tweeted. Get the latest news delivered right to your email. And in that opening statement from the prosecution in the Oath Keepers sedition trial, the prosecutor said, you know, A, they thought when they left the Capitol on January 6th that they had succeeded and that there would not be an electoral count certification --, Rachel Maddow: -- and that they were then plotting their next steps when they realized that Congress reconvened --. And the Justice Department, I think, was onto something in terms of the way those things were connected. There are parts about fascist rhetoric that are compelling in their own twisted terrible way. Great reason --. Like, that theres no final victory over the forces of it, even though I feel like the story of World War II and particularly the story of that, you know, its like the defeat of Nazis and fascism, the purging of Nazis and fascists from the continent, although not really in France. In addition to Maddow, Brian Williams is talking about leaving his program "The 11th Hour" when his contract expires in the next six months, according to sources who say he wants to end the late-night gig. They named him Home Run Baker because of how many home runs he hit, and he hit 11. Rachel Maddow: -- sort of a bit player in this story and theyre actually supported by the Hitler government. Previous Post. ", I'm like, "No, it's the opposite of crazy. We have all this stuff. You get 11, you get 10. Yeah, it's about titrating that stuff. Rachel Maddow: A paid agent of Hitler's government working with members of Congress and members of the United States Senate to distribute, literally, propaganda written by the German government targeting the American people in quantity. Earlier in his program, Hayes recounted an. We were against them --. Rachel Maddow: That's why I'm always up after midnight working on this stuff. bookmark NEWS SHOW access_time 11/21/2022 person Mod chat_bubble 0. The historical, narrative style pod could hardly be more relevant, as the plot revolves around a sedition trial quite similar to the ongoing Oath Keepers one. You could do the whole thing on William Dudley Pelley in the Silver Shirts, which is a crazy story. . (3:10) NBC had to retract a fabricated Today Show story that reignited the fascists' homophobic conspiracy theory about Paul Pelosi. Chris Hayes: -- like, how is the new life of one night a week of "The Rachel Maddow Show"? And we are not going to fight them by getting rid of our civil liberties. On Tuesday, Hayes posted a photo of himself with Rachel Maddow on his Twitter account. So that idea of accountability, like there is a role for institutions like the church. Today, Rachel Maddow writes about the future of election integrity. Rachel Maddow: -- answer whatever e-mails I need to answer that pertain to this evening, and then shutoff and not turn on again until the workday starts again. And he gets locked up for embezzling from the German American Bund because, I mean --, Rachel Maddow: -- one of the historic truths that you keep bumping up against is that a lot of people who have fascist and authoritarian impulses and move in these directions, theyre also grifters and --. That's actually a great primary source for this work because he reproduces all of the statements from the trial, that are hard to get from the multi-thousand-page transcript of the trial now, simply because he wants to rebut them in his book. As threats to American democracy abound, theres more that has to be done to save it, said Maddow in our exclusive podcast interview. The combination of those things is something that the Justice Department tried to tackle through a mass sedition trial in 1944. So I hadn't gotten the actual cuts of the first two episodes. January 17th is when they got arrested. Like, there was a weird moment around the birth of American Holocaust denial and accountability for actual Nazis, not allegorical Nazis, but the real Nazi leadership that brought me to this moment. That a story about the Bronx chris is always good he deserves a much bigger national reputation two into... 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