Ruth: And you very much see that here. When I was in high school, I lived in Spain, loved it. Flee from projections. Both nations are members of the United Nations, however neither country has a resident ambassador. Ruth: Wheel and come again. A friend I have from the middle east explained how giving a thumbs up is actually the same as giving the middle finger in the U.S. Xavier: Wow. Nothing compares with the Chieftaincy System, but its still very important here. Funny to see the comment above from Marty and what came across as defensive reply from the author. Copyright Simbis Inc.All rights reserved. Because Ackee came from Ghana, but Ghanaians typically dont eat ackee. So yes. Yeah. There are no hurt feelings, but if you dont know our culture you would assume otherwise. I for one have loads of Nigerian friends.. I used to have locks and they said, Yeah, man, all Jamaicans have locks. Of course, they have that stereotype. So come connect with one of the Jamaicans here and have them sort of introduce Ghana to yuh (you). The first time I came was in 90, I want to say 91. We just talk like thatpeople from other cultures are not used to dealing with any type of what they deem aggressive dialect so to them it sounds like we fighting , Kedesha Boothe (@KedeshaBoothe) March 8, 2020. Their daily occurrences that remind you of how old this civilization is. But no. You will hear Jamaicans who arent married to Ghanaians or who arent, who havent been there for a long time missing that a lot. When you add a few decibels and fast hand movements, youre left wondering if you should run for your life. Cultures can vary so widely and be so nuanced, it is fascinating to me. You know, when you hear about a country, thats steeped in tradition, until you live that tradition, you dont really know what thats steeped in tradition means. Ruth: But yes. But if your parents always told you that you have to chew your food and that you must swallow chewing gum, its a very hard concept to get with. But the way we flavor it with salt fish is a way they flavor the majority of Ghanaian dishes are flavored with some form of smoked fish that is cut up just the same way wed cut up salt fish. You are. We are blunt and joke a lot. Dear Veronica, I dont know which part of Barbados you live but I am yet to encounter a Barbadian who hates Jamaicans as your article seems to suggest. It wasnt even, Bob Marley, yes, but there were others who were also important. As I tell everybody, youre free to crack jokes with the people around you in both of these countries. Germany, consistent with the logic of echo chambers. We're not mean. Ruth: Theres a time. Where the ego part comes in like Marty said is when they get it back. That is like the biggest sin in Ghana. I tore up like a baby. The same issues go for African American where they were made to feel discouraged about people of the islands and also Africa-that they differ. It sits in a soup, in a very spicy soup. Two such ones are traffigator, an amalgamation of traffic and indicator as is used on a car and with an inserted g for good measure. Mi cya come. (I said, no boy I book already you know. Is there something Jamaicans Hate missing from this list? Is Anyone Taking American Politics Seriously Anymore? Despite all the challenges We accept it! Just easy yourself and itll be Jamaica; no problem, I come with baggage (@aly_berry1) March 8, 2020, So, what did she want you to say? But its very starchy and it just sits in the middle of your soup, and you eat with your hand, and youre not allowed to chew it. And this has happened in EVERY country I travel to. Plus we really don't like when people ask, what we would consider a stupid question and our irritation comes out in our response. Because for us, thats such a big deal in Jamaica to be a hypocrite. Total BS headline. But any, maybe one tip youd seh (say), if youre moving here, what would the one thing youd seh (say). Because historically were so linked to Ghana. On Tuesday, the health ministry signed an agreement to introduce an electronic health records system that has long been touted, TRUTH IS, Bajans and Trinis are not going to let up, so its up to you Jama. What I am saying is that we have a culture of responding aggressively when you cross the line. Personally, I much prefer this over America where you can be the President of the United States and still be called a N1gg3r and asked for your birth certificate. Yes. Whats the thing you like the least? The heavy tradition means also that gender roles are more traditional than Jamaican gender roles. People will hide the truth so as not to upset you. Period. U hate jamicans.ok. Why u hate them,talk make we hear you?. WebHaitians and Jamaicans, just like many other immigrants groups in the U.S, have tension because they see each other as competition. And really people do believe, for everything there is a season. Its almost biblical. Join our newsletter to get the latest articles, news, & videos. The sense of humor is different, but its still very I think whats common to both countries, is that sense of humanity, where people are a bit more forgiving of each other and, yes, warmer and fuzzier. Why are they so outspoken and demand the freedom to speak? Clothes, looks, being right, what they have or can do with a lack of intrinsic worth and emotional understanding. So Ruth, how are you? I have immigrant friends from all around the world and that is precisely how we view America and its people. These are all symptoms of living more from ego seen in any culture. We were taught that any mad/crazy slave or any slave who could not take instructions, were shipped off to Jamaica. I cannot come). So what is this rubbish about Bajans not liking Jamaicans? I understand it, but its there. If I said to you, Xavier, bwoy (boy), mi a (I am) get married next week enuh (you know), yuh (you) coming to the wedding? As a Jamaican, yuh seh, Bwoy mi have sumn book fi next week so, a cya come. (you say, boy I have something book for next week so, a cannot come). Ruth: I dont have many but there are two common ones. Ruth: Apart from patties? Who said Ghanaians hate us? Jamaicas Sangster International Airport Getting MAJOR Upgrades To Become World-Class Facility! 10 Items A Barrel Shipped to Jamaica from Foreign 6 Phrases Jamaican Men Say When Theyre Really 7 Interesting facts about the Irish Influence in How Much do you Know About These 7 Amazing Leaf of 20 Dishes to Try When Visiting the Caribbean. It also comes down to where you went to school, where you work, who you know, what you drive, where you live, how often you travel, the first impression you give off, how you carry yourself, etc. So Nigerians and Ghanaians in temperament tend to be very different that way. More propaganda, thats all.kmt. WebBy interviewing about 2,000 people across 40 communities in Jamaica, we looked at the predictors of anti-gay bias and measured them. She came to vent and be offensive, so who can say what her actual thoughts are? From what I have observed it is a egoistic culture. So, in terms of attractions, come and see a market come and be in a market. I think a lot of people hear things said in Patois, or even just our accent when we speak English, and interpret the things we say a lot more aggressively than we might intend, but we're not mean at all. I miss the beach and it sounds weird because were on a coast here, but our beaches are different and there isnt a beach culture here. The irony of this is that, we are always the first to cite the iniquities of others and their countries without a room for us to accept our own. No humans like to be critisized or wrong but the force seems stronger in the jamaican culture. Hello Marie! More like direct. And why they doing this and? We dont get it. Its by far a more solid argument than ask anyone in the world. . FyffeStar (@FyffeJireh) March 7, 2020. Because matrilineally, our kids belong to my family and not my husbands family. Personally don't see how Jamaicans get labeled as mean tho lol. So, Ghanaians are very conservative with showing their bodies. Ive seen it happen all the time, particularly with Americans sticking their nose into our business when we were perfectly fine. A distinction exists between Jamaican English and Jamaican Patois (or Creole), though not entirely a sharp distinction so much as a gradual continuum between two extremes. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Plus, some Africans What I always tell people, we are NOT mean. I can tell you this, you know, I kept saying, oh, Jamaican just saying that because its been ingrained in us to say, we come from there. Ruth: So, I hooked up with a Ghanaian at university in the US, and we got married, in Jamaica. WebHowever, we do know that hate speech on social media in modern. I think youve covered it all. And you see it clashing quite a bit. Yogen No Ko (@styrofoambax) March 8, 2020. Xavier: I dont remember the name of it, but, you know, I know there were a lot of kids around, it seemed like, you know, its a day trip for kids and I dont remember the name of the park. Some will go as far as find a reason why the murder of Haitians is justifiable. But like seriously? So, I mean, I remember at Christmas, I remember going to Jamaica at Christmas, and you know, you hear yu (your) favorite Jamaican Christmas songs, Virgin Mary have a baby boy. This is a very embarrassing topic and a difficult pill to swallow. 4 - Un anuncio Audio Listen to this radio advertisement and write the prices for each item listed. You show them their yes sir, no sir shame. My anecdote, as you condescendingly put it (theres that jamaican charm again), comes from working with only Jamaicans for the last 2 and a half years. Xavier: All right. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that - Martin Luther King. Ruth: The biggest sin in Jamaica is what? (4420 Views), Somalis, Ethiopians, Eritreans Are Superior / There's Something About Us Nigerians. Theres a lot of reverence for the passing of time. This conservation effort always So, let me give for the foreigner, for the Jamaican coming to Ghana, maybe you start with Jollof Rice, which Ghanaians and Nigerians always fighting over Jollof Rice. You can never go clockwise when youre saying hello to people. Thats, thats it. For the east indian nations It is notRead more . Saving water and electricity is an art practiced by many Jamaicans daily. Do Somalis,ethiopians And Eritreans Consider Themselves As Whites? This is all also part of ego and a learned hardened exterior they have. Anyway. The two cents that I'd add is that we aren't necessarily mean but rather we were raised to be thick skinned and outspoken. Getty Images. The other one that I used to get quite often and it would make me laugh. Is there anything missing from this list? You can find, Lets think. So my tendency if someone was yelling at me would be to yell back why are you such an a88hole today?!! I mean, it was just amazing. Listen to them, listen to how they interact. I guess I can see how people with less sense could simplify it to that. Sliding in beside a friend, asking someone if they can cut in front or rushing the gate. Ghanaians are realizing that times are changing, but people are still trying to figure out how to navigate, how to maintain the culture, even with social media, which is dismantling Ageism, for example, or tradition. So thats why Im hesitant to use the word lie. But, this aggressiveness, is seen as playfulness in our culture. Xavier: It was near enough to the castles. It calls on your senses much more than many other countries. Shame on you. Yes. Brief excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to Alexis Chateau with appropriate and specific direction to the original content. Between 1845 and 1917, more than 36,000 Indians came from British India to British Jamaica because of the deteriorating socio-economic conditions in India at the time. What did they do? Edo South Is Bigger Than The Whole Of Yorubaland All Toghether (excluding Lagos). We'll save so much time . Comedically Jamaicans are extremely witty with a unique humor. We want to hear from you! Because of this, many foreigners see us as aggressive, especially when they work with us. We wont even get into the comments made when we chose not to support that Shacari girl after she disrespected one of our Jamaican athletes. Still, there is another side of Jamaicans. So, if you imagine raw dumpling. Meanwhile, when I lived in Georgia, there were African Americans protesting at universities that affirmative action shouldnt be open to other non-White races/ethnicities and that Black people from other countries shouldnt have access either. If she don't move herself .. , I'm DYING because I'm reading this while you have your name set to "Passive Aggressive"!!! It was too short of a time. 3. Kind of like the consistency of chewing gum, but its hard to imagine a lot of chewing gum. And they hear music the same way, but maybe on an exaggerated level, because the dancing we do in Jamaica is at one level, and the dancing that they do here in Ghana is at a different level completely. And now I couldn't get a new bank card. Oh yeah Im French-Canadian. Soon enough, someone asks the question, Why are Jamaicans so mean? In fact, not only is this the search query that brings a lot of people to my blog, but its also a question I get asked often. But wouldnt you rather know now than later? Why is that? Ghanaians believe in peace, at all costs. (She was probably just pissed that shes in Canada in winter!). Xavier: So, are you saying theyre a little like us. Xavier: Well, thats very interesting because youre seeing some of the similarities. If youre LGBTQ then there is documented truth to Jamaican being hostile. So me and my Jamaican crew, oh lord we get into trouble all the time. Xavier: Well, it sounds like it was almost seamless, as I said. I currently live in Mexico and the Mexicans I know have also made a keen observation and distinction between African Americans and the West Indians they know, myself included. Ghana is not going to be delivered to you on a plate like that. It's just cultural . Here is your epic story rhyme and poems and story plot lines and all. Not sensuous, sensual? Ruth: Yes. This is an offense that can get your food establishment blacklisted as word spread that you are stingy with the gravy. So, thats a very hard thing for foreigners to get used to it. Thats all Im saying. I would believe that if you believe. Theres a tradition of what happens when I bring her back home, whose will the children be? Aggresive. And of course I miss family because were far, and I wish we had a direct flight, what can I say. So, you know, I dont know what my experience would have been like as an outright expat, I dont know. Wait til you sign out. Yes, well make it work for us. Unfortunately, when honesty meets the innate expressiveness of patois, people (mis)interpret it for unkindness. We are like, what you see is what you get. If we hurt your feelings yesterday, were sorry, but thicken up that skin because Lord knows we might do it again tomorrow! You have judged Jamaican culture through what I assume is American lenses, but our culture is much richer and much deeper than your surface-deep analogy. Our hearts smile, Baraka Flaka Flaaaame (@blackinnaminute) March 7, 2020. Honestly it's the oolder Ghanaian population who are always judging .. And they usually form opinions just by looking at the "419"guys in Ghana but the younger generation like them and are okay with them.. So people will be very unbothered straightforward and confident but it is attached to those outer things so they will put you down for your dumb question like I said but will not want to hear about their own. But dont sort of show up here and fire away, brap! Just try not to catch us on a bad day, eh? They will cut out people because they get so hurt. Thinking about it the only reason that would be accurate is where we are tired of our culture being exploited otherwise we're laughing or stating facts. Maybe thats the Jamaicans you attracted and the circles you moved in. This was the mandate, I supposed in my little head (or was that taught to me also), of every Caribbean island. WebThere are a few reasons why Nigerians and Jamaicans may not get along. So, people would be scared that somebody like me would come and have children here and then would leave with the children. And then later still swear they take critisim fine its you with the problem. Whats it Like Being a Jamaican Living in Australia? So, I caan (cant) just come out and start a big, big argument with somebody whos much older than me, because it doesnt wash so well. So if you are going to be lying down on a beach in a swimsuit, you will find people coming home from a funeral, staring at you, kind of thinking, what are you doing? So they dont tend to display their body, to design clothing, to display their body like that. What I DID LEARN was that slaves were shipped from island to island as trade between slave owners. What can you accomplish by not having a conversation that might solve problems? Su (so), my next question to you is this one, how did you end up in Ghana? Home is home, is home, but somewhere feels more like home. Then we get to the attitude of being tough. They know which parts, they know that it has to open, as well. I wasnt dreaming about it. The belief is that all Ghanaians are predisposed to it. Croaking Lizards (Gecko) Mi hear a loud croaken lizaad pon yuh verandah, suh me tun back So it boils down to racism or the belief I guess home is where the family is too. But theres still a bit of it left in me and I still see it through new eyes day. Re: I Hate Jamaicans by Zebulun15 ( m ): 10:18pm On Apr 21, 2021. Hello Kim! So, things are still assigned to gender in a way that we no longer assign them to in Jamaica. WebA few months ago, one of my Jamaican friends told me that he doesnt like Haitians. daphne's daughter (@DeniseWhorms) March 7, 2020, I dont think jamaicans are necessarily mean. Ruth: There we go, wheel and come again. So, that stew with that, and yeah. I dont know much about French Canada, so Ill have to take your word for it! Mi fraid (I am afraid), but people do and I Yes. Therefore when those blunt comments or people do get some kind of blunt thing or criticism back, my god they do not take it well. But people eat it raw. A few people eat Ackee, not many people know it, but it grows all over the place. Here are the 9 Reasons Why You Should be Eating More How Jamaican Men Say Thank You to another Jamaican How Jamaicans Greet You When They Have Not Seen You 20 English Words That Sound Better In Jamaican Patois. Yes. Likewhat?? I dislike Southern Hospitality. Xavier: So food, lets talk food. Its beautiful to watch in motion, but social media has messed with it. Ill introduce it to other Jamaicans and well have a blast just moving around. And that goes for everyone, women included. So, our Jamaican belief is truth, at all costs. As you clearly have nothing meaningful to say, you have been blocked from further correspondence. Xavier: Well, heres my next question. I think its, kind of beautiful to see that, and you take it for granted when youre here. Being done up to the nines. But Ghana feels like home in a different way. A Conversation with Pretty Girls Can Cook Author Shantelee Brown. So, its hierarchical in terms of tradition, in terms of gender, in terms of age. Too well,in fact,if you know what I mean. Having little but putting on the fake diamonds. I dont know. WebSixty per cent of Jamaicans say they reject the lifestyle compared to the 46 per cent in 2012. The Ghanians and Nigerians here in T.O. And inevitably, they had met Jamaicans and whatever, but tradition got in the way of anything ever evolving because of their traditional gender roles. 5.Small gravy portions Nuh gi mi nuh dry so so food, put more gravy pon it I love Nigerians, I dont just know, seriously Ghanians should stop the hatings, when they come over the internet, they pretend to hate us, but when they see an advert of work from a nigerian home abroad, they will be the first to rush to call over the phone that they need the job. Xavier: The canopies that you go up on the trees, but the best part for me was just listening and just watching the people and it was just amazing to me. Its one of those-, Xavier: I dont mean to interrupt yuh (you) but its funny because we went to the slave castle and that was good. Not Jamaican, but as a foreigner, I do not think this is true. Mi (I) nuh (no) can tell everybody say di (the) person died? No, actually you cant. Xavier: -its just totally. Nairaland - Copyright 2005 - 2023 Oluwaseun Osewa. Ruth: Yes. Re: Ghanians Why Do U Pretend To Hate Nigerians, And Ethiopians Love Us? I didnt have to spend years there to see that one. . Utter rubbish, small islanders would make the opposite argument. Hi, Im Xavier Murphy, founder of Jamicas.com. You can see the sensitivity between the hard shell. differences. WebRespect, Jamaica! Its time for you to come back, but in the meantime, hope springs eternal. We're not mean, they're just soft. We own it. You know, Jamaican would say, A lie yu a tell man, a lie. (you are telling a lie), No. Its important to note, however, that Jamaicans are predominantly bilingual and also speak Jamaican Patois (also known as Jamaican Patwa or Creole), which is a combination of English and some African languages. I think we joke a lot about almost everything. Pretty sure Id have a great time in Jamaica. I think theres so much to see that you just have to silence yourself and silence the critique, save the questions, and do ask them. However, your observation of how that pride plays out is shallow and inaccurate. Being prim and proper has its time and place, but applied to us outside of a formal setting, it often stinks of Eurocentric ideals. Thank you for your support. Im not sure if that says more about their own personality types than our culture, but we sure welcomed them when they came running to our defence! This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Men being very bossy to women, using them, cheating. Flaka Flaaaame ( @ DeniseWhorms ) March 7, 2020 anti-gay bias and them. Xavier: well, thats very interesting because youre seeing some of the similarities the question, why are such. That remind you of how that pride plays out is shallow and inaccurate to. Between slave owners, consistent with the logic of echo chambers opposite argument are predisposed to it love do. 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